9:23 a.m.
Hi,
The new installer offers three kernels to choose from [1]: native, lts and pk. I never
paid attention to the 'kernel-pk' version when I got curious this morning.
According to its description, it's deprecated and also really only installs the
kernel-iot-lts2018 bundle. I would suggest that we update the installer to either remove
this third kernel option or rename it iot-lts2018 to make it clearer what this is about.
If the proper way to update this is to send a PR to the 'clr-installer' repo, I
can do that, just let me know.
Thanks,
Geoffroy
[1] https://github.com/clearlinux/clr-installer/blob/master/etc/kernels.json
[2] https://github.com/clearlinux/clr-bundles/blob/master/bundles/kernel-pk
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2:20 p.m.
On 3/7/2019 1:23 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy wrote:
Hi,
The new installer offers three kernels to choose from [1]: native, lts and pk. I never
paid attention to the 'kernel-pk' version when I got curious this morning.
According to its description, it's deprecated and also really only installs the
kernel-iot-lts2018 bundle. I would suggest that we update the installer to either remove
this third kernel option or rename it iot-lts2018 to make it clearer what this is about.
If the proper way to update this is to send a PR to the 'clr-installer' repo, I
can do that, just let me know.
absolutely; the pk kernel is (like the iot-lts kernel) for one piece of specific hardware
only and should not be offered (or installed) on other hardware
5:08 p.m.
So are we asking it be removed as an option?
Or some check added to only offer this kernel for a specific platform?
It was added intentionally, but I can't find the original request.
--mark
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 6:21 AM Arjan van de Ven <arjan(a)linux.intel.com>
wrote:
On 3/7/2019 1:23 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The new installer offers three kernels to choose from [1]: native, lts
and pk. I never paid attention to the 'kernel-pk' version when I got
curious this morning. According to its description, it's deprecated and
also really only installs the kernel-iot-lts2018 bundle. I would suggest
that we update the installer to either remove this third kernel option or
rename it iot-lts2018 to make it clearer what this is about. If the proper
way to update this is to send a PR to the 'clr-installer' repo, I can do
that, just let me know.
>
absolutely; the pk kernel is (like the iot-lts kernel) for one piece of
specific hardware only and should not be offered (or installed) on other
hardware
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5:10 p.m.
Ok, thanks.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Arjan van de Ven <arjan(a)linux.intel.com>
wrote:
On 3/7/2019 9:08 AM, Horn, Mark D wrote:
> So are we asking it be removed as an option?
> Or some check added to only offer this kernel for a specific platform?
we should remove it. the special platform that this kernel is for does not
use our installer.
6:54 p.m.
This will drop the list of user choices of the kernel for interactive
installations to two, either: Native or LTS.
Native is the default unless you run in Virtualbox where the default
switches to LTS.
I'll submit a change today.
--mark
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Horn, Mark D <mark.d.horn(a)intel.com> wrote:
Ok, thanks.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Arjan van de Ven <arjan(a)linux.intel.com>
wrote:
> On 3/7/2019 9:08 AM, Horn, Mark D wrote:
> > So are we asking it be removed as an option?
> > Or some check added to only offer this kernel for a specific platform?
>
> we should remove it. the special platform that this kernel is for does
> not use our installer.
>
7:26 p.m.
This will drop the list of user choices of the kernel for
interactive
installations to two, either: Native or LTS.
To tree ;-)
Native, LTS2018 and LTS2017
LTS will be deprecated in near future for those LTS with years.
Native is the default unless you run in Virtualbox where the default
switches to LTS.
I'll submit a change today.
--mark
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Horn, Mark D <mark.d.horn(a)intel.com> wrote:
> Ok, thanks.
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Arjan van de Ven <arjan(a)linux.intel.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/7/2019 9:08 AM, Horn, Mark D wrote:
>> > So are we asking it be removed as an option?
>> > Or some check added to only offer this kernel for a specific platform?
>>
>> we should remove it. the special platform that this kernel is for does
>> not use our installer.
>>
>
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8:53 p.m.
I'm removing 'kernel-pk'.
Which would leave just two bundles:
kernel-native
kernel-lts
Are we also asking for the interactive installer to offer up
'kernel-lts2018' at a third option?
'kernel-lts2017' is not in a release yet, but is this also needed?
How do we coordinate these requirements moving forward?
--mark
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:26 AM Miguel Bernal Marin <
miguel.bernal.marin(a)linux.intel.com> wrote:
> This will drop the list of user choices of the kernel for
interactive
> installations to two, either: Native or LTS.
To tree ;-)
Native, LTS2018 and LTS2017
LTS will be deprecated in near future for those LTS with years.
>
> Native is the default unless you run in Virtualbox where the default
> switches to LTS.
>
> I'll submit a change today.
>
> --mark
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Horn, Mark D <mark.d.horn(a)intel.com>
wrote:
>
> > Ok, thanks.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Arjan van de Ven <arjan(a)linux.intel.com
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/7/2019 9:08 AM, Horn, Mark D wrote:
> >> > So are we asking it be removed as an option?
> >> > Or some check added to only offer this kernel for a specific
platform?
> >>
> >> we should remove it. the special platform that this kernel is for does
> >> not use our installer.
> >>
> >
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10:10 p.m.
I'm removing 'kernel-pk'.
Thanks
Which would leave just two bundles:
kernel-native
kernel-lts
Are we also asking for the interactive installer to offer up
'kernel-lts2018' at a third option?
Yes, please.
'kernel-lts2017' is not in a release yet, but is this also
needed?
Yes, it was requested and used for external user.
How do we coordinate these requirements moving forward?
It could be in GitHub clr-installer issues as your current requirements.
--mark
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:26 AM Miguel Bernal Marin <
miguel.bernal.marin(a)linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > This will drop the list of user choices of the kernel for interactive
> > installations to two, either: Native or LTS.
>
> To tree ;-)
>
> Native, LTS2018 and LTS2017
>
> LTS will be deprecated in near future for those LTS with years.
>
>
> >
> > Native is the default unless you run in Virtualbox where the default
> > switches to LTS.
> >
> > I'll submit a change today.
> >
> > --mark
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Horn, Mark D <mark.d.horn(a)intel.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, thanks.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Arjan van de Ven <arjan(a)linux.intel.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 3/7/2019 9:08 AM, Horn, Mark D wrote:
> > >> > So are we asking it be removed as an option?
> > >> > Or some check added to only offer this kernel for a specific
> platform?
> > >>
> > >> we should remove it. the special platform that this kernel is for
does
> > >> not use our installer.
> > >>
> > >
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> > Dev(a)lists.clearlinux.org
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>
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>
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6:50 p.m.
On Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:20:59 PST Arjan van de Ven wrote:
On 3/7/2019 1:23 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The new installer offers three kernels to choose from [1]: native, lts and
> pk. I never paid attention to the 'kernel-pk' version when I got curious
> this morning. According to its description, it's deprecated and also
> really only installs the kernel-iot-lts2018 bundle. I would suggest that
> we update the installer to either remove this third kernel option or
> rename it iot-lts2018 to make it clearer what this is about. If the
> proper way to update this is to send a PR to the 'clr-installer' repo, I
> can do that, just let me know.
absolutely; the pk kernel is (like the iot-lts kernel) for one piece of
specific hardware only and should not be offered (or installed) on other
hardware
*Currently* it is that. There's only one specific hardware that needs this
kernel and the the team behind it is not really doing wide testing. That's why
it's currently called "kernel-iot"
However, the long-term goal is to make the "pk" kernel be suitable for a lot
more people, with further Intel enhancements that have not made it to the ones
from kernel.org. Especially backports of content from latest stable onto the
latest LTS.
Who those "more people" will be remains to be seen. If users running Clear in
datacentres want nothing to do with the PK, then PK team should not be
spending time on that.
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7:32 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [Clr-dev] Question regarding the installer and kernel-pk bundle
On Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:20:59 PST Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On 3/7/2019 1:23 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The new installer offers three kernels to choose from [1]: native,
> > lts and pk. I never paid attention to the 'kernel-pk' version when I
> > got curious this morning. According to its description, it's
> > deprecated and also really only installs the kernel-iot-lts2018
> > bundle. I would suggest that we update the installer to either
> > remove this third kernel option or rename it iot-lts2018 to make it
> > clearer what this is about. If the proper way to update this is to
> > send a PR to the 'clr-installer' repo, I can do that, just let me
know.
> absolutely; the pk kernel is (like the iot-lts kernel) for one piece
> of specific hardware only and should not be offered (or installed) on
> other hardware
*Currently* it is that. There's only one specific hardware that needs this kernel
and the the team behind it is not really doing wide testing. That's why it's
currently called "kernel-iot"
That's partially correct. It's used broadly in ACRN, both on specific hardware but
also on more platforms such as Apollo Lake, Kaby Lake NUCs and the UP2 board (those are
the ones supported by ACRN at the moment). As such, I agree it does not make sense to
offer it as an option in the installer (because having it installed is not sufficient to
use it, additional manual steps are required to set up the system).
I would actually advocate that this kernel is added to the 'service-os' bundle.
The iot-lts2018 bundle ships both a kernel configured for the Service OS and another one
for use by the User OS. When setting up an ACRN system, one of the step is to install both
the 'kernel-iot-lts2018' and 'service-os' bundles. Given that the
service-os can only do anything useful when paired with the kernel-iot-lts2018 kernel, it
would make sense to have it automatically installed by it.
Geoffroy
However, the long-term goal is to make the "pk" kernel be suitable for a lot
more people, with further Intel enhancements that have not made it to the
ones from kernel.org. Especially backports of content from latest stable onto
the latest LTS.
Who those "more people" will be remains to be seen. If users running Clear in
datacentres want nothing to do with the PK, then PK team should not be
spending time on that.
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Software Architect - Intel System Software Products
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